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Kevin, Sorry... I was just going through my tackle and what I meant was different than what I wrote (I think at least) - I was wondering about Luhr Jensen's "jet-diver" and do you run those and if so how do you use them. I am gathering from your reply that you do not. I read about these and they seemed to be ideal for trolling in Mac. What I could not grasp though was how it would go if one were to do relatively sharp turns. On a related note... I am contemplating trying to ditch the 2 orange boards on the next trip and instead run 4 mono dipseys in Mac and the channel (maybe on Mon or Tues). Question: is this a pipe dream to think I can go short poles on the inside dialed on 1.75 without the ring say about 30 back and then long poles on the outside dialed at 3.5 without the ring say 45 back? Have you ever tried this with the shallow routine? I do it all the time in 60+ FOW but just question if the turns will trigger wrap up tangles. I realize I will have to problem concede not running flasher flies which is a bit of a heart break since last week those were the ones were red hot. Respond if you have time... if not I will just give it a whirl and let you guys all know how it goes... Seems like the cold water has left for now so whatever I try I am going to need luck more than anything to get the fish holding in there to bite.

Kevin, What boat do you use mainly these days? If I recall years ago you always had a blue four winns decked out with gear? Are you still on that or was that you I saw on a crestliner last night? With the kids and I cleaning up on em the last few days it came at a price - I lost 3 dipsey rigs and spooled several reels with snags. Years ago I know you posted about using slidedivers instead and sure wish I know how to do that with size 4-5 jplugs. Does it work and what is your setup like? Thanks Ryan

4 for 7 wed nigh - the first two hooked up on green hotchie flasher fly just out in front of parkside marina in mac - the first weighed 24.25# and the second 24.75# - nothing like watching one of these jump 4 feet in the air 7 for 12 thurs night - all but 2 of the fish came inside the channel and mac - as far back as parkside again - hooked a big male in the clean water out front right after sunset - got blown south and fought him all the way to almost the first slider and then got em in the net - never weighed him - big boy though First 2 trips on the new jon boat with the 3 older kids were a success

I couldn't agree with you more on the wind/wave forecast Fished Holland tonight and ended up south of Saugatuck. 4 for 7 80-100 FOW - SE troll was best Rigger 62 down - went 3 times Rigger 55 down went once FireDipsey 175 back went twice FireDipsey 225 back went once Lost 3 really large fish tonight - 2 on the dipseys that ran out 600+ ft only to shake the hook out - 1 on a rigger jplug 55 down that got off in the net The 4 year olds are starking to look pretty dark

started trolling inside Mac where the channel starts - wham while setting lines - fish on! turns out it was a monster sheephead though - trolled out of the piers and made 2 passes - picked up a small king on the second pass in 19 FOW on dipsey with coyote white flasher and fly. continued making passes - 4th pass in had 50 ft sailboat ride right over 2 of our orange boards. Nearly spooled the reeles before eventually the baits cleared the keel and everything righted itself. Decided to bail on the pierheads since the sailboats kept coming. Trolled all the way out to 90 FOW - nothing. Turned and trolled back. While just south of the pierheads after dark in 38 FOW had a huge king rip a dipsey. Weak spot in old fireline apparently because it broke off and was jumping all over behind the boat with the flasher and fly in its mouth. That was it for the night. Kept passing the pierheads trying to get something else to go. So much bait was surfacing you could reach down and catch it in your hands. My son saw a king porpoise and pick off bait. Too little too late for me. Should have never left the shallow water tonight.

yes - the buoy info is helpful - the thing about the buoy though is it is a couple miles off shore and we want to be harvesting kings on the beach - part of the shoreline cooling (if I understand correctly) is that it is colder out deep first off and getting these in tight temps confirmed is a game changer. Does anyone know where this port Sheldon buoy sits. I think someone said it is 2 miles out?

Here is the Beach report from about 1hr ago: NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE GRAND RAPIDS MICHIGAN 1032 AM EDT WED AUG 14 2013 LAKE MICHIGAN BEACH REPORTS WATER WAVE FLAG LOCATION TEMP HEIGHT COLOR LUDINGTON STATE PARK 55 F 0 FT GREEN MEARS STATE PARK (PENTWATER) 55 F 0 FT GREEN DUCK LAKE STATE PARK 56 F 1 FT GREEN MUSKEGON STATE PARK 48 F 2 FT GREEN P.J. HOFFMASTER STATE PARK 48 F 1 FT GREEN GRAND HAVEN STATE PARK 53 F 0 FT GREEN HOLLAND STATE PARK 60 F 1 FT GREEN SAUGATUCK OVAL BEACH 65 F 2 FT NONE SOUTH HAVEN FILTRATION PLANT 61 F 2 FT NONE You can see that if you were fishing Grand Haven that the bait and mature fish would be in the piers. Holland is more of a lottery card at this point as to where they are. If the cold pocket from GH slides down to Holland then they may be right out front. Probably won't though because wind died so that leaves them if I had to guess in that 40-90 FOW and probably in the upper part of the water column. Others chime in and share opinions please. I am going to go fishing tonight and tomorrow too out of Holland.

Trolled off Holland Friday night - came with high expectations setting lines at 7pm - trolled from 110 out to 150 FOW and back several times - nothing Eventually the bite showed up. Ended up going 4 for 8. 65-85 feet down on the riggers - moonshine spoons (happy meal & flounder). Even took a king (random bite) on a half-core with drop weight double-orange-crush) Dispeys were firing off too even 30 minutes after dark we got our last bite of the night. 200 feet back fireline dialed to 3 with moonshine magnum spons again was the ticket on the dispeys No biggens for us - all the fish were 5 to 11 pounds which was a bit of a bummer since we wanted another 20+ king. Oh well next time.

awesome job - a couple hogs you got! hey how far out were you trolling this morning?

Thanks for the reply Erik

fished out of Holland last night 2 for 7 - could not keep them on all hits came 40-85 down with our best depth being around 115 FOW large-size dipsey dialed to 2 and back 175 was the most active lost one monster king that pulled the swivel apart other hits came on riggers 55 and 65 feet down full-core 10 color took a fish as well Just a slew of boats out there - can someone tell me what that was last night? Is it a steelheaders club or something? At 6pm about 30 boats left the pierheads going out to troll. Heard one of the guys on the radio say he went 11 for 16.