jimcr

Thanks Josh , now if the weather cooperates and the Coho move 35 miles north it will be all good again.

I am on the Wisconsin side and fish in a Tracker targa very deep 115 opti 15 kicker + a trolling motor, Have been out 16 miles on the right day. 358 FOW. Make sure someone knows where you are and when to expect you back , keep an eye on the weather. carry a cell and make sure it works along with your radio. I have seen it go from flat calm to 3 footers in less than 5 minutes, in a small boat fish with care out that deep.

the nice part of the copper rods is the large eyes , the knots pass through easily, just make sure when you pay out line to use the clicker, or you could have a little birds nest.

Hey you guys your waaay overcomplicating this thing. I had a thread on another board regarding this, so maybe this will help out. Break the water into thirds...top third, mid third, bottom third. If you are fishing the top third, or shallow, fish a 50, 75, 100, 150 32lb copper. Mid third (like 40-60 down) fish a 200, 250 or 300. If you are catching fish deep, throw out your 350, 400, 450. It does not matter one single bit to try and estimate the exact depth of your coppers. Just stuff the active strike box with as many legal lines as you can without getting tangled...that's the game. We fish all 32lb, we just like it better. We sell 50-50 on 32lb vs 45. Whoever said the 45 and 32lb fish almost the same, you are 100% correct. If you straight line troll, no turns, constant speed, you will see exactly that result. If you turn or let your buddy drive and dont watch the throttle, your rigs are all over the place on depth so why even worry about where you might think your rigs are fishing. If you are that particular, dont turn, dont touch the throttle, and 50 foot spacing on copper rigs will cover everything in the active strike box.

here are a couple of links on the copper setups. I think these were the ones you were talking about.

http://www.greatlakesfisherman.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25536

http://www.greatlakesfisherman.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25841

Yeah might have to do that. I have seen so many different numbers on how deep that rig would get me. I guess I thought closer to 65 - 70 feet.

So the 75 to 100 feet that I have left, would be roughly 20 to 25 feet deep if I threw that on another rig?

yeah thats close, depending what your running on it , plugs run deepest then spoons , and last flasher and fly . You can loose about 10% of your depth running flasher and flies , and this is due to the surface area on the flasher.

Well i used a reel calculator that I think I found on this site. According that that calculation, 150 yards of of power pro, about 30 yards on mon, and then then 67 yards of 45 copper.

Jim whats your guess on depth for 45 pound copper at 200 feet?

I used the same calculator , but if the volumes are exaggerated it will be off, as I have found i most.

For 200 feet of 45 lb Super copper it should be 45-50 feet down . The easiest way to find out how deep its running would be to remove the hooks and let it out and watch the pole you should see some difference almost like a tapping as it hits the bottom. Almost the same as checking for depth with a dipsy diver.

Seahawk I did the same. 200 of 45 copper and 450 feet of power pro 50 lb on an okuma 45. Got it for 38 bucks new online. Plus a little mono to put the board on and a leader, there was not much room left.

Funny thing was I put on the 450 of Power Pro and winding it on my line counter said i had put on 850 feet of line. Thats shows how bad those counters are without a full spool or using the right line.

Copper was at 225 on the line counter, someday I will actually measure it in the yard to see if its at 175 or 225 or ????

I put my line on using a device that measures foot for foot of line that goes on , you would be so surprised on what actually fits on a reel , most of the reel numbers are off 5-10 %. Don't' use the counter that you see in the picture its off too, it slips some .

I have a measuring wheel that the line runs around in a grove.

I wouldn't go over 8 color for rods and then go with copper. It shortens up things so you don't have 2 miles of line out to get depth. I had to stretch out a couple of coppers that I wasn't sure of the lengths , turned out I have them marked wrong. Mixed up a 150 and a 180 copper. Its easy to due if you don't' mark them. I now mark all my copper in the depth they are suppose to run. Saves time and tangles. So lets say you have a 300 of 32 LB copper , I mark it 60 or a 180 it will get marked 35.

I run 3,4,5,6,7,8 colors and then its all copper, braid and stainless. If I need to run shallow I will run keel weights .

and its all about the good guys here, not like one of the other sites. Great site Mike

At least you got out and bent a rod or two. Stayed in because of the forecast . I Should have went on Saturday. I'm guessing all browns?

See ya on the water.

I have caught browns packed with gobies, Like my son Nick said 2 camels in a compact car.

Some where on you tube the first time we were out , Nick filmed me cleaning a couple of Browns full of gobies.

I have also caught them when we were jigging for Kings in the harbor, 35ft down.

Nice job on the fish, nice to hear the coho are making their way north, what did you have for water temps? That king looks good.

Water temps were right around 42' , this year I am running dipsys all year! just love the screaming when they hit, this one even jumped out of the water . Hoping for decent weather for next week again , but this time I am going to be out early!

I have found that if you don't pull on the Dacron before you put the mono in it goes in easier.

you have some very good artists there

Palomar strongest knot you can tie

Awesome Video by the norweegun fishing team. Great job!!!

Great start Russ , saw you were out I guess you were more shallow than we were. looks like some decent fish.

See ya on the water.

Jim

like it , just needs a little more time

nice job

John here in Milwaukee I usually go on 1 to 2 charters a year, its nice not to have to drive the boat clean the fish clean the boat, be a gracious host . Its also fun to have a good time fishing. around here its runs from 400-600 also, and there is evening charters 3 hours (after work charters) which are cheaper. Its a great way to learn if you can afford it. Get a bunch of buddies together or family , we do 4-6 people and it runs from 70-110 per person.

Well again can't get started on time , got to end this trend!

Left the launch at about 9am trolling southeast towards the green can set the last pole and not five minutes later , a screamer on the diver , my favorite! Starboard dipsy set 2 out 75 ,Turned out to be a 17lb king . The next fish turned out to be the first Coho of the season , I don't normally send them back but it was only a mouth full. and it was full of vinegar. Then it was time for lake trout , the next one was only average but the one after which came on a 5 color pulling a pearl white storm minnow intimation. I asked Nick what was taking sooo long and he told me he couldn't gain any ground, hmmm check the drag and thats over tight already, must be a good sized fish. As it turns out it was a 16lb laker. picked up one more before puling lines. As I was pulling the last rigger, I snapped it out of the release and its another laker. How do these lakers just swim with the bait and not trip off the rigger boggles my mind. Got pretty bumpy on the way back in , not what was expected or predicted by the weather service.

Great day to be out .

Tight Lines

Jim

nice video , what kind of camera and mount?

I run clear on my wires and I will be running orange when we fish for CoHO , other then that chrome for the browns .

Lets hope that they are two different reels. I have nothing against the Magda pro but please don't change the convectors. The handles on the convectors are so much nicer, I have even taken 2 handles and put them on the magda pros .

Thanks for the report , I like the way you take your photos and label it all for us to see.

Thanks for the heads up with the articals. Very informative