Nailer

Welcome!

Nice job on the fish.

Sounds like a great trip! If you think 15-19 pound kings are small than, you need to fish lake Michigan a few times.

Thanks Jim.

Nice Job on the fish Phil! It must have been great to have the mentors along.

My brother in law has been stopped 5+ miles out from Pentwater more than once. They pull up along side him as he's trolling and checks has license and pole count.

WOW , Makes a guy want to pack up and leave these Lake Michigan dinks and head East.

6' is pretty much the standard.

I was thinking of upgrading the swivels on my leaders to spro or sampo's. Not too thrilled about the price. Does anyone tie their leaders with a swivel on one end and a loop on the other. It would cut down on the number of swivels needed but would one quality swivel reduce line twist enough?

On my sliders I use bb swivels on the lure end and lesser grade swivels on the line end.

My cousin, myself, and my son made the evening trip to Port Sheldon last night.

We went out to 190', set up on a west troll. made a turn north at 122' stayed in that range till the sun hit the water. The black and white kitty was purring pretty loud in the cooler. We switched every thing over to the glow program and headed East. We finely hit a nice 12 pound king (an hour after dark) in 120' off the wire diver back 100' with a white/glow/ spinner and a Big Weenie glow fly. We had one more fish on a Moonshine Night Crawler that came off. Our string of one fish trips is up to 3 now:confused: We ran a spread of; 2 corner riggers with spoons/and fixed sliders, 2 out riggers with flasher/fly rigs, 2 wire divers with flasher/flys, 1 300 copper of a board, and 1 full core off a board. The water flees where not an issue last night but the ankel biters where keeping us busy.

Nice Job on the Kings Gents!

The Dirty Dog got er done.

Thanks for all the pics Bill. Terrys method sounds a bit easer.

Terry, I'm guessing the rubber band breaks and falls off then?

What happens with the slider and rubber band when the fish is on the main line? (when it gets to the rod tip)

Thanks to both of you,

Ken.

Great pics bill,

I would like to see how rubber bands are used to keep a Slider Line at a set depth?

Great looking boat Keith.

Ken, there are a couple differences between high and low divers. With the deeper diver set to 1.5 you can safely run a high diver say with a regular diver and ring on 3 without any interference between them in a perfect world. If you are targeting deep you can set them on 1 and 2 respectively. The Mag divers work well for this. A high diver is just that and is intended to run higher in the water column and expand your spread. There is nothing bad about a high diver running high to pull fish into your spread, I like a slide diver for this application too.

Running just a low wire diver 200+ back you can get into a deep copper pretty easily especially with a big fish on the wire, which is why a lower setting is preferred for running real deep. If you ran it back on 3 out 200 plus you end up way out to the side which can create havoc with a copper and core program so it is a balancing act. You generally should set the diver angle to run between the riggers and core in a vertical sense.

Then there is your rigger leads. A long lead or SWR can easily get into a diver as well in current and in turns. Even a slider can hook on to a released diver so it is important to get a good visual in what you are doing down there to avoid tangles.

Also it matters what you are pulling. A large flasher and fly will pull harder than a spoon, so that will pull the diver back and require a steeper angle or more line to achieve the same depth. Then speed and debris will add pull to your spread. While slowing down the pull is lessened and it will dive deeper.

Care must also be taken letting these rigs out. If you let out 200# quickly it's bound to get into something. Get it started, place the rod into position and let it out slowly to depth under a semi loose drag. That way it will ride the angle into position and less likely grab another line and tangle on the way out.

Let's try again on Saturday.

Insightful Tim. Thanks.

Are your tangles coming from setting your lines or when you make a turn?

I'm not really sure. What I want is to get depth out of the outside diver (like when the fish are 60' down). It's hard to get that kind of depth with a standard diver set at 3. What I want may not be possible?

This year I picked up two wire rigs. I have the Walker deep divers on them set at 1. I have been running my braided divers out side of them with standard LJ divers (with the standard rings) set at 3. I've gotten them tangled up a few times. Tim (stein) says you have to run the outside divers short to prevent blow back. My question is if I use a magnum ring on the out side diver, could I let more line out to gain depth with out tangling?

When the fish are deep the out side diver is not getting deep enough.

So far I love the way the wire divers produce, in the three time we've been out they've gotten %80 of the hits.

More Please;)

Thanks.

Great Job again Phil!

What a pig!

900+ feet of reeling

Tim joined my son Jacob and I for morning trip. Set lines at 7 am at 60', trolled North, South, East, And West, All around from 60-140'. We landed One 12 pounder in 120 and had One other on. Both on the mountain Dew Flasher/Fly off the wire set 200' back.

It sounded like some others did good.

Thanks Tim for coming.

Whitehall is always a good port. You should have a great time.

WAY 2 GO Jim.

Nice Pig Skeiner!

Welcome!

33 pounds, I would be happy with 20.

Ken.

Nice job Nick, to bad on the lost 3.