The 9lbers I have now have a pretty good blow back if I get down past 40-50ft. As sherman mentioned, I've just lived with it. I have an entire machine shop with CNC's at my disposal, so I may as well make what I need. For now, I think I will start with the ball (I already have the aluminum on hand for that size mold) and see how it works out. I will still make the pancake. Really appreciate all the opinions. As I mentioned, I'd be willing to make and sell some once I get them proofed out if anyone is interested. I'll have to see what I have into them before I can come up with a price, lead and coating is pricey!