Thats good stuff Ed, many thanks to you. Unfortunately, the wife told me we have to buy the house before we buy the boat so I am still pier trodding and listening to Grand Haven's promising youth recite poetry and play "emo" guitar to the sunset under the lighthouse. It is a wacky kind of fishing compared to the spillways and small streams of Western PA and Ohio but I will figure it out. ..shrimp... second guy to tell me that around here. I would have never thought of that. Thanks again