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Special mate boxes are great. They are the best thing I have found to keep your spoons and sticks organized but they do take up alot of valuable space.
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This is my first attempt at editting GoPro Footage. Typical mixed bag spring fishing on Lake Ontario, Port of Sandy Creek in Hamlin, NY in May of 2012.
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I would recommend getting the Tx44 Church boards to pull your 300 and get you out away from the diver farther. I did that this year and I don't think we had a single tangle between the copper and the dipsies.
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To quote the website...
"BLOOD RUN 7 STRAND stainless fishing wire is a proven leader in stainless wire fishing technology. Blood Run .015 inch diameter 30lb stainless breaks up to an incredible 43lbs, the strongest in its class!"
http://www.coppertrollingwire.com/FishingLine/stainless-fishing-wire-line/
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I have 4 diver setups w/ 30# Blood Run wire that have gotten a serious work out on Lake Ontario kings for 2 years now. great product, great customer service.
2 other recommendations i would make to diver setups is to add twili tips to your diver rods and completely eliminate the use of crimps to attached your swivels and tie them on instead. These 2 things will eliminate the majority of problems.
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Copper will be a great addition to your boat because it simply catches fish! I have Blood Run copper setups ranging from 200' to 450' on the boat and on Lake Ontario last year, my 300' coppers were my best producers.
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As for brand of wire... check out Blood Run Tackles 7 stand ss wire you wont be disapointed.
You need a quality line counter reel that will hold 1000' of wire. Currently im running Okuma Convector 30s for my wire reels but they are going to see an upgrade this year to Okuma Catalinas 30s.
As for rods... Im running Okuma classic pro glt diver rods w/ twilli tips. Twilli tips are not a must but long term youll be glad you have them.
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1) What pound test and type of mono?
50# Blood Run fluorocarbon
2) What length has been your boats most consistent producer?
for 8" Spinnies I have stuff tied from 17" to 28" but 22"-24" is a great place to start
3) Once done, what is the best way to store them?
I leave proven flasher/fly setups together and store them in a DW flasher file
bulk fly bodies just get stored in a clear plastic plano box
4) Single or treble hook?
tournament tie 3/0 octopus w/ #1 treble
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welcome to the site Dave!
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What a difference a week makes? That tough transition phase bite seems to have Sandy Creek in its grip.
Sat AM
Great screen 60- 140 fow. Plenty of hooks to fish and an amazing amount of bait everywhere you turn. We have been wondering all year where all the bait has been well, the wind on friday blew it all off the beach and out to deeper water and it was everywhere. I mean everywhere. Tough to compete with all that bait around? Not sure but either way tough bite out there. 8 bites total for us all morning with 7 to the net. Mix of steelhead and lakers sharing the same waters. We pounded the water with flasher/ flies early and had some luck with both a 200 diver pulling a Green Halo spinny and halo fly and a 450 copper pulling a Capt valium spinny and green killer fly. But today all these fish wanted were spoons. Halo, mixed veggie, Hammer, to name a few. Riggers and 10 color leadcore were the winners today.
Monday AM
Sat down in 40 fow with plans to fish Brownies. Surface temp 57 and bottom temp 51 degrees. Pulled a few little kings in 50-55 fow in the first hour or so and slowly pulled out. The bait had almost disappeared entirely next to what we saw on Saturday. We spent the majority of the day 80-100 fow targeting the zooming fish that were 20-40' off the bottom. 13 total bites for us with little Kings and Lake Trout dominating the day. These fish only wanted DW SS spoons and so as the day would prove, every bite came from a super slim. super glow, halo, mixed veggie, moon cricket, and a few others. 10 color leadcores, deep divers 150-200, and deep riggers took all of our fish.
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The great fishing from Sandy Creek continues. Certainly we are well into a transition period at this point. 58.8 degrees on surface with bottom temps in the high 40s and as much as 14 degrees different at times. Seems like an endless supply of green water too. We may be through our June transition before June even gets here. Some bait even began to show up out there.
Friday morning...
Weve done well in 100-125 fow water for the past week or two so there was no question of where we would start looking on Friday morning. Great pick of fish all morning long, straight out front in 100-115 fow from the pump house to Cowsucker creek. Our catch was a bit Laker heavy with about 1/3 of the catch Kings.
A very similar set to last weekends...
300' Blood Run copper off the big board w/ a Capt Valium Spin Doctor and a "Green Killer" fly
300' Blood Run copper off the big board w/ a Capt Valium Spin Doctor and a "Green Killer" fly
200' Blood run wire diver pulling a "Green Halo" Spin Doctor and a "Green Halo" fly
240' Blood run wire diver pulling a "Green Halo" Spin Doctor and a "Green Halo" fly
70-90' rigger w/ Stinger "glow gator"
90-105' rigger w/ Stinger "glow gator"
55-70' rigger w/ grn dot Spin Doctor and a "Legacy" fly (early am)
55-70' rigger w/ DW SS frog
45-60' rigger w/ mupped Stinger hammers
450' Blood Run copper down the chute w/ a Capt Valium Spin Doctor and a "Green Killer" fly
We totaled 36 bites for the day with 28 making it to the net. Big fish for the day were 3 lakers over 15# and 19# King. Only 1 double all day. The opposite of last weekend, we had a larger class of Lakers and a smaller class of Kings (most under 10#).
Saturday evening...
Took a boat trip Saturday evening on a recon mission for Sunday morning. The only consistent thing I found is what we fished on friday. We quickly boated multiple Lake trout including 1 over 16# on rigger Spoons and Blood Run coppers pulling DW Spinnys. Took a look out to 200 and never saw a screen that i liked so we headed south and the fish showed up again inside of 120 fow with the best screen of the night in 80 fow.
Sunday morning...
We left the dock and fearing heavy boat traffic we headed west to Devils Nose in 85 fow looking for a screen to fish. Very consistent Laker bite w/ an occasional King mixed in 90-120 fow. Once again we left fish and headed north again looking for a better King bite. Besides a couple of fish in 176', we never really found what we had hoped and 2 hours later we returned to our 110' depth and it was game on. Dbl on Kings followed by a triple on fat Lakers (17#, 15# and 12#), followed by another dbl.
A very similar set to fridays...
300' Blood Run copper off the big board w/ a Capt Valium Spin Doctor and a "Green Killer" fly
300' Blood Run copper off the big board w/a Capt Valium Spin Doctor and a "Green Killer" fly
190' Blood run wire diver pulling a "Green Halo" Spin Doctor and a "Green Halo" fly
160' Blood run wire diver pulling an Atommik chrome killer Spin Doctor and a hammer fly
70-90' rigger w/ Stinger "glow gator" (early am)
70-90' rigger w/ Stinger mixed veggie (late am)
90-105' rigger w/ Stinger "glow gator" (early am)
90-105'' rigger w/ Stinger mixed veggie (late am)
55-70' rigger w/ grn dot Spin Doctor and a "Legacy" fly (early am)
55-70' rigger w/ Stinger NBK (late am)
45-60' rigger w/ mupped Stinger confusions
450' Blood Run copper down the chute w/a Capt Valium Spin Doctor and a "Green Killer" fly
A stellar bite had us fighting 28 fish for the day with 20 making it to the net. Our catch was 60% Lake Trout and the other 40% was Kings, a coho, and a Steelhead
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Mothers Day PM
With all the reports of incredible fishing on the lake this weekend its tough not to be out there. Once the mother's day festivities were over, we headed to the boat for a quick evening trip. Dead flat calm lake... (Amazing how a lake that big is able to do that).
With waypoints from the day before it gave us a start point in 100 fow straight off the creek. Before all the rods would get set... Wire diver would fire with 20# king. A start to a great evening out. Just like the day before flasher/ flies would dominate our set and we would run a strict King set.
Our set consisted of...
300' Blood Run copper off the big board w/ a Capt Valium Spin Doctor and a "Green Killer" fly
300' Blood Run copper off the big board w/a Green Dot Spin Doctor and a "Green Halo" fly
200' Blood run wire diver pulling a "Green Halo" Spin Doctor and a "Green Halo" fly
240' Blood run wire diver pulling a "Green Halo" Spin Doctor and a "Green Halo" fly
90' rigger w/ Stinger "glow gator"
105' rigger w/ Stinger "glow gator"
70' rigger w/ grn dot Spin Doctor and a "Legacy" fly
45-60' rigger w/ mupped Stinger NBKs
450' Blood Run copper down the chute w/a Green Halo Spin Doctor and a "Green Halo" fly
By the time our night was over we would have 26 bites with 21 making it to the net. Multiple doubles. Majority of it was Kings w/ the occasional small Laker mixed in. Once again Kings of all year classes w/ 3 around the 20# mark but the majority 8-14#.
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A scouting mission on Friday afternoon gave me a starting point off Hamlin Beach on Saturday morning in 100 fow and before the day was over we would see water 90-160' from RT237 all the way to the "can". We took a shot at a strict King set in the water and we were rewarded with an absolute great early May King bite off the waters of Sandy Creek.
Our set consisted of...
300' Blood Run copper off the big board w/ a Capt Valium Spin Doctor and a "Green Killer" fly
300' Blood Run copper off the big board w/a Gator Spin Doctor and a "Green Killer" fly
200' Blood run wire diver pulling a "Green Halo" Spin Doctor and a "Green Halo" fly
175' Blood run wire diver pulling a "Green Halo" Spin Doctor and a "Green Halo" fly
90' rigger w/ Stinger "mixed veggie"
105' rigger w/ Stinger "mixed veggie"
70' rigger w/ green dot Spin Doctor and a "Legacy" fly
45-60' rigger w/ DW ss "glow frog"
note: We also ran a chute rod the entire day and it produced zero hits for us. (450' copper, 5 color core, 10 color core)
We started the morning with alot of dropped fish and at one point we had a landing percentage of less then 40% but as the day went on this greatly improved . By days end we had almost 30 bites w/ a catch of mostly Kings. The Lakers were there but only about 20-25% of our catch. Strange to think that there were no other species were boated. Kings of all year classes with the biggest pushing 18-19# but the majority were in that 8-14# range.
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Better late then never?
Saturday morning we decided to stay off the beach and try to run a King program. After a couple of unsuccessful hours searching the mid waters (30-65') we decided to seek out 20' of water and fish for browns. As we hit 25 fow a rigger fires w/ 12#10oz Brown attached to the opposite end. One for the LOC board. We continued to pick away at browns over the next couple of hours and ended the day before noon with 11 bites in 20-25 fow. Our 5 rod set consisted of DW ss Caramel dolphins off the high riggers (12' + 15') ,1 Stinger NBK dragging the bottom was our hot riggers set along with two 4 color leadcore off the boards pulling NBKs, and everything loaded with Blood Run fluoro leaders.
Sunday with the reports of heavy Laker catches again in the deeper water, we left the dock with the plan to head to yesterdays eastern waypoint and fish it west till we ran out of fish. Great pick all morning of browns w/ 1 teens king and 1 small laker in the mix. DW ss caramel dolphins off the high riggers, DW ss super glows off the deep riggers, NBKs and GHDs off the 4 color leadcores, orange bellied sticks (w/ 2 split shot) off the boards, and everything loaded with Blood Run fluoro leaders.
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Very similar report if not the same report as last weekend. If your reading the south shore reports, then you would know that the fishing is just good out there. Browns, browns , and more browns. Most of them being cookie cutters but occasionally a decent one. And although we have had a lack of rain and run off, the shoreline is full of good colored watered out there to fish. 43.5-44.5 surface temp in 8- 15 fow. We put fish in the boat with the usual mix of sticks off the boards (which eventually became dominate with orange sticks) along with DW SS caramel dolphins off the riggers.
Its always nice to get my kid out on the boat with us. It was his first trip out this year. It gave him a chance to fight some brownies and put his first fish of 2012 in the boat.
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Cold and rainy. For everyone out on the lake today, what a perfectly named day...April Fools day. Although I have spent a few weeks getting the boat ready for the season, I never have been a fan of shakedown cruises unless of course everything goes well. But the boat ran great, the equipment is working well, and everything looks good so that certainly made the trip out, a good one. It has been a long winter but we are ready to fish 2012.
After a quick boat ride, we shut down between the pump house and Newmans Point. With nothing ready to go, we tied fluoro leaders on everything, and we slowly got lines in. We wrestled getting lines in the water for about 3 hours and rarely had more than 3 in at one time (until days end). Solid pick of Brownies from creek to the woods. Mostly cookie cutters and nothing over 9#. A mix of sticks off the boards put half of the fish in the boat and DW ss caramel dolphins off the riggers (5 down and 25+40' back) put the other half in. Great shoreline water color with random spots of chocolate milk on both east and west sides of the creek and thats where we found the fish. 8- 15 fow.
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I hope so!
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It does matter and probably more than we would like it to. There have been days where chrome or glow divers have out performed others. Because they are so close to the money end they will act like an attractor or the complete opposite. Sunny days i may run chrome divers and on days when glow is the ticket I may run glow divers but for the most part I run black divers. It probably works out to be 98% of the time. My thoughts on running black divers is i believe it takes the color out of the equation. It provides "stealth" to your non stealthy set up and fish spend less time paying attention to it and more on whats at the end of it. In the end we spend less time trying to come up with a diver and lure combo that should be spent on just the lure itself.
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Blood Run is all I run. Super copper is more pliable and more user friendly than standard copper lines. Customer service is second to none!
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I have to disagree with your post. I am currently a committee member of the Sandy Creek Shootout which is fished out of the port of Sandy Creek in Hamlin, NY. One of my biggest pushes is for donations from manufactures for the "Captain's bags". Captain's bags, I believe, are a win for everyone participating and those who donate to them. Captain's bags put product directly in the hands of those who compete, providing great advertisement for the sponsors. Rather than one team reaping the rewards of a prize pack or cash payout from a sponsor, all teams participating see the reward. For a team who didnt finish in the cash, it gives them an opportunity to not to go home empty handed. Which could prove to be a big deal to some. It may not provide the biggest exposure to a company name, as maybe a big cash sponsor would. It gives a team a chance to try a product without experiencing it and it provides companies with product exposure. Most of the teams fishing our event consist of an average of 4 team members. So by multiplying the team members by the number of teams the ripple affect can be felt longer and in the end providing more exposure for these companies.
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I assume the rods you are talking about are the Classic Pro GLT Rod (model CP-CL-862M). I bought them last year and i love them for leadcore and cores. But for wire no. I would consider the Classic Pro GLT Rod (model CP-DD-1002M). They are specifically designed for divers. I have had great luck with these rods for MAG divers and no need for a twilly tip (the guides handle the wire just fine). Okuma has all the specs for their rods and reels on their site. http://www.okumafishing.com/
Copper depth question?
in Salmon Pro's Connection
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as a general rule of thumb, Copper has a sink rate of 22' down per 100' deployed with spoons and a sink rate of 20' down per 100' deployed with spoons with 8" flashers. Something comparable to 10, 7, and 5 colors would be 200', 150' and 100' coppers.