wire line

[fishsniffer]

do you have to run a roller rod with wire line or can you get away with just a twilli tip?

[Priority1]

Many are using just the twilli tips. In general the wire is a lot tougher on rods.

[tltorrice]

What is a twilli tip?

[GLF]

Tom,

This is a twilli tip (http://www.fishdogco.com/twillitip.cfm).

[Yooperdad]

Guys, I have most everything else but have not yet gone into copper or wire line salmon fishing.

However, living on Lake Superior, I do have wire line rods that were used for fishing lakers. They have 45# braided stainless wire on roller tip rods and with weight, typically run with 300 to 600 feet of line out to trace the bottom.

So the question is, could these be used for salmon? They are not set up on line counter reels since the objective was to keep letting out line until you bottom bounced.

Yooperdad

[Priority1]

Most run the wire with divers. I would think those roller rods are stout enough for a Dipsy. It wasn't that long ago that we all counted level wind passes or (bars as we called them). You can be just as accurate as a LC if you don't miscount. Example each pass of the level wind is so many feet. Measure it at home.

I have been reluctant to go with a wire setup. The 2 reasons being, I have done so well with braid, and if you do have a tangle wire line wins. we have had multiple fish on a quite a few times. In 06 out of Manistee 2 of us had a quad going. Charters like it because you can feel every move the fish makes. It excites the customer. On the plus side you can get deeper with a wire diver. When the fish are below 50 feet my riggers shine. Well!! I resisted leadcore until last year. I wonder if someone will convince me to buy some wire and a twilli tip. :) My motto is never say never.:)

[tbromund]

Well, Frank,

I run both wire and power pro and year in and year out, the wire smokes the power pro for action. For whatever reason, it just gets whacked a whole lot more. I haven't found it to be any tougher on rods than any other presentation. I've got 2 Daiwa heartland diver rods with twilli tips that are 6 years ol and they are still like new.

I've only had 1 tangle with a wire diver, ever, and that was a 400' copper that a king on a wire diver got into, lost the fish, but didn't lose any rigs or tackle.

Tim

[Priority1]

Now, Tim has me thinking. :) Maybe I should try one wire diver.

[joelsanders]

Should i run some backing if i only have 300 ft of 30lb wire on my twilly tipped diver rod?

[Priority1]

Has anyone tried to splice wire to braid or wire to mono?? Has anyone had a bad kink in their wire and made a splice wire to wire?? If you can make these splices will they run through a twilli OK? Will mono or braid run through the twilli tip?? What I'm getting at if you can make a strong splice to mono or braid, you could use 300 ft or so of wire on top of the backer. I'm not sure if I'm asking the impossible. :) But sometimes the impossible becomes reality. I have lived long enough to realize that.:)

Has anyone here tried running monel wire?? :)

[Priority1]

Joel and I were typing at the same time.:) Looks like were both thinking about the same thing.:)

[joelsanders]

Frank What Am I Gonna Do!!!

[joelsanders]

Is monel wire a single strand?

[crewsout]

twilly tips work well if you dont have the money for a roller rod. just make sure to watch your guides for wear. i used it all last year and had no problems.

[Midway97]

I been using wire for a couple years now... I got a deal oon a couple of roller rods and I put together a daiwa heartland with a twilli tip.

To date, I've never seen any backer used on stainless, simply 1000' of 7 strand braided attached directly to the spool. First wrap is wound along with electrical tape to help it bite the arbor, otherwise it tends to slip. No leader either, just attach to a snap swivel and dipsey or thumper rig (Drop rig). Like it was said earlier, you can feel every twitch the fish makes.

You can use single strand, but it's more suceptable to kinks and its stiffer, the 7 strand is amazingly flexible and doesn't kink that easily.

[Priority1]

Is monel wire a single strand?

I have only seen monel in single strand. It's more malleable than other single strand wires.

[Hookedup]

I would definitely use backing if you are only using 300ft of wire. I would use at least 500 ft of wire and enough backing to fill the reel with the wire. I have used the albright knot with wire connected to power pro or dacron. I also use rods with twilli tips and have had no problems.

[Priority1]

I would definitely use backing if you are only using 300ft of wire. I would use at least 500 ft of wire and enough backing to fill the reel with the wire. I have used the albright knot with wire connected to power pro or dacron. I also use rods with twilli tips and have had no problems.

I was looking at the Albright knot but I wanted to know if it would work with the wire. Thanks for the information. Do you make the loop with the wire and wrap with the braid?? Because of the cost of Wire I was thinking about only spooling 300 ft of wire with about 900 ft of braid backer. I doubt if I would ever have more than 250 ft of line out.

[Hookedup]

With the albright knot make the loop with the wire. I use 500ft of wire I often have out 300 to 330ft when I run divers at around 100ft. If you dont need to fish that deep you should be ok, but if you get a mess in the wire you might lose 100ft and have to start over.

[Paulywood]

Frank, last year in the final WMFL event we were banging fish with 300-325 ft. of wire out on our divers. So don't say never. I run 1000' of Malin 7 strand on a Daiwa Sealine 47 LC. I use twilli tips on a Daiwa Heartland rod. My first year I had a cheap Eagle Claw roller rod and lost 3 dipsey/flasher/fly setups when the wire got hung up in the tip. So I would either spend the $120 on a Shimano Talora roller rod or the $38 on a Heartland and twilli. I would never buy another cheap roller rod. If you wanted to save a little cash you could probably put 600' of wire on a smaller(27 size) reel. I would be worried that if a fish ever got to the backer the knot would slice through the braid. It would suck to lose $30 worth of gear in order to save $15. I also figure that with the 1000' I could cut off quite a bit if it got kinked. I check my wire for kinks after every trip. It's a blast catching fish on wire. Also make sure that the wire is spooled on very tight. A lot of guys spool it on and then drop it overboard on their first trip with a 1# ball on the end. They let it all out and then spool it to get it tight. I have an 80 acre field behind my house so I just attached it to a 1# weight and walked out 1000' in the field. Then "fought" the "fish" all the way back to the house. My girlfriend said I looked dumb but it was spooled on nice and tight.

[Paulywood]

Just thought of something else. With the wire you will get burrs on the guides and the twilli. These burrs could slice right through braid. Once you have used a rod for wire, I wouldn't run anything else on that rod.

[Priority1]

Thanks everyone for the advice. I have some things to think about now before I make the leap to wire.:) I hear you Nick on being penny wise and pound foolish. I may just wit until next yr to do a wire rig.

:)Actually my braids have done very well the past few years.:)
My riggers were hot in August last year. Glow Js were knocking the snot out of them.

[TheKingfisher]

We're adding Wire Dipsey to our aresenal this year for the first time... I'm excited to try it!!

[Priority1]

Hookedup,
Have you had any issues with the braid getting frayed by the Twilli tip or guides??:)

[joelsanders]

Thanks for the right answers to my ?'s you guy's rock thanks!

[Hookedup]

Frank I havent had any trouble with the braid getting frayed. I could see though if your guides did get tore up you could have a problem. I checked my 4 wire line rigs last night I couldnt find any problems with the guides. I have two rigs with 1000ft and no backing and two 500ft rigs wth backing. I also dont get into the backing that often so im shure that prevents problems, if I was going to have any. The only thing I would realy recomend is use a good reel with a good drag.

[Priority1]

Thanks for all the info. I may just bite the bullet and spool one up.

[justenough]

Frank,
If you bite the bullet and set one up you won't be sorry you will have two.I run 4 divers , 2 wire, 2 braided the wire caught 2 to 1 over the braided I do run the mag divers on the wire.

[Mark]

In addition to the effectiveness of wire, there is NOTHING like the sound of a wire dipsey getting smoked by a fresh king!!! I've seen people almost hurt themselves from jumping at that sound! :D

I'd love to get that as an alarm clock tone.

[tltorrice]

I too am adding wire to my aresenal this year. Thanks for all of the input. This has been very helpful.

[BAD TO THE BONE]

i run twirly tips and the rod guides are ceramic works fine,and i run mag dipseys.

[ford719]

Do you use a snubber on a wire line ?

[Paulywood]

I use a clear Opti snubber behind the dipsey.

[crewsout]

yeah a snubber is a good choice because the wire has no stretch and the snubber absorbes some of the shock and it isnt all on the line and rod.